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Niestety wielu obywateli kraju nad Wisłą nie ma świadomości przysługujących im praw w zakresie dostępu do informacji publicznej. Aparat administracyjny ze szczególną niechęcią podchodzi do wniosków o udzielenie informacji, bojąc się chyba odkrycia jego niekompetencji lub też np. korupcji.
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Może budzić zaniepokojenie, że w ogóle doszło do rozstrzygnięcia sądowego tak prostej sprawy ta. Orzecznictwo w tym temacie istnieje od jakiegoś już czasu i nie wierzę, że kancelaria adwokacka nie była z nim zaznajomiona. Identyczne sprawy rozpatrywane były już wcześniej z podobnym do dzisiejszego skutkiem. Powinni poinformować szpital i starostwo, iż „teoria informacji przetworzonej” nie dotyczy takich wniosków jak mój. Mówiąc szczerze, byłem pewny dzisiejszego rozstrzygnięcia.
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Tymczasem…
Wczoraj samorządowcy powiatowi i nie tylko w silnej ekipie (p. Popiel też) pojechali sobie na tygodniową zagraniczną wycieczkę… no nie zgadniecie kto za to zapłaci 😉
Pozyskiwanie inwestorów ? Wymiana doświadczenia ? Podpisanie kontraktu ? :)))
Wygrana jedna bitwa nie świadczy o wygraniu wojny, a ta będzie długa i krwawa panie Andrzeju redaktorze-wydawco 😉
Widzę WIELKIE zmiany na stronie – zniknęły reklamy – czyżby Google cofnęło "wypłatę" za działania niezgodne z regulaminem. Jaka szkoda 🙂
A jaka to bitwa.?
Obywatel domaga się informacji. Może to niepospolite i budzi zdziwienie ale ma do tego prawo.
No cóż, pani L. nigdy nie była najtęższym umysłem. Ale chyba o to w tym "wszystkim" chodzi. Podobną przypadłość posiadają też dyrektorki czy dyrektorzy szkół i placówek k.o. i inni " mianowani" czy wygrywający ( rzutem na taśmę) konkursy na posady. Jak się okazuje można z "tym" wygodnie i radośnie żyć. Pomijając naturalnie takie kwestie jak godność, przyzwoitość, odwagę, szacunek do samego siebie. Bo komu to potrzebne ?;-))
Racja Andrzej.My podwładne też mamy dość swoich strachliwych przełożonych. Niech tylko skończy się kadencja. Dowiemy się wielu ciekawych rzeczy.
Po jakim czasie kasuje się zapis z kamer monitoringu, czy przypadkiem nie po miesiącu? Może to była gra na zwłokę?
Powyższy wyrok wcale nie oznacza, że dostanę to o co wnioskowałem. Sąd odrzucił argumentację p.Dyrektor i nakazał rozpatrzenie wniosku. Wniosek będzie rozpatrzony i być może wydana zostanie decyzja odmowna w sprawie wnioskowanych informacji. Wtedy skargę na odmowę trzeba będzie złożyć do Samorządowego Kolegium Odwoławczego i dopiero zaskarżenie ewentualnie odmownej decyzji SKO zobowiąże p. Dyrektor do fizycznego wydania dokumentów. Czasowo może to jeszcze więc potrwać, mam nadzieję że do czasu wyborów samorządowych sprawa będzie zakończona ;).
Brawo PANIE ANDRZEJU.Swoją wiedzą pokonał PAN Lidzbarskich prawnników biorących udział w sprawie….ostudził PAN zapędy Wajsa i Harchaja a nawet Kędzierskiego. W Lidzbarku trzeba stworzyć nową partię i odsunąć tych, tych, tych od …..! Aha. Zapomniałem o BOROWYM.!!!
No panie vicestarosto Kogut.Przestań pan być hardym, Czas i pana rozliczać zacząć, ale po kolei……….najpierw godziny pracy, droga do i z Ornety, a potem urzędnicze sprawy i traktowanie ludzi…. a potem……..
Bo o to właśnie chodzi.
To chyba tylko w Polsce domaganie się rzeczy prawem przypisanych (czasem kilku jednocześnie) odbierane jest jako zmasowany, złośliwy atak. "Bo jakże petent może przeszkadzać mi w piciu kawki"? "Bo wszedł i znowu będzie marudził", "Bo znowu czegoś chce"
Ma takie prawo, więc przychodzi i chce. A urzędnik ma obowiązek obsłużyć go zgodnie ze swoimi obowiązkami i ustawą!
Polska to kraj bardzo dziwnych i niedoszkolonych urzędników…….
Mimo, iż ogólnie nie przepadam za API-m i uważam, że nie jest obiektywny, często przesadza i ma manię prześladowczą, to tym razem – gratuluję. Sama jestem zatrudniona w budżetówce, w pewnym sensie jako urzędniczka, opłacana z podatków, nie mam jednak nic przeciwko ujawnianiu moich godzin pracy, zakresu obowiązków i wypłacanej mi pensji. I nie podoba mi się, że ktoś nie chce takich faktów ujawniać.
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no to wreszcie dowiemy się, ciekawej rzeczy a mianowicie, ze dyżurny lekarz zamiast byc na stanowiska pracy, byl na zawodach sportowych. Chorzy pacjenci mogli sobie poczekać
Pani Lasowa ma 14 dni na zajęcie się moim wnioskiem, ale liczone od chwili doręczenia odpisu wyroku.
Czekamy co na to osoby o nicku: PrzemasWrednyZgred, Rafał , Jarek ,Yogi ,kurator , realista ?
ggg, szanuj mordę bo masz tylko jedną i nie wycieraj jej moim nickiem , ja potrafię napiętnować to co złe ale również , w przeciwieństwie do ciebie, potrafię dostrzec dobre zmiany w mieście, mój pogląd na działalność API ego jest mu znany i to mi wystarczy , tobie ani nikomu nie muszę tego udowadniać
Dobrze że zapadł taki wyrok, to wpłynie na dalsze postępowania urzędów na wnioski o dostępie do informacji publicznej ale tak jak w każdej sytuacji nie można popadać w paranoję.
Mordę to masz Ty proszę mnie nie obrażać owym epitetem! .Ja potrafie pochwalić oraz zganić . "…Dobrze ,ze zapadł taki wyrok " dzieki dzieki CI BOŻE za zacne słowo w wykonaniu Yogi .Zgadza sie nie można popadać w paranoję ,święte słowa !
Współczuję API, że ma takich przygłupawych pochlebców i lizusów.
Przygłupawy ! 🙂 JA CIe nie obrażam !
po co im to wszystko ,przecież było wiadomo ,ze API i społeczeństwo wygrają !
powoli następują zmiany
dzięki determinacji API-ego
władza spokornieje a ludzie nabiorą nadziei
że władza nie musi być harda i pełna buty
nawet fajny ten listopadowy wieczór !!!!!!!
Odwoływać się od czego? Nie pierwszy taki wyrok.
Dawno twierdziłem o miałkości warstwy urzędniczej w naszym mieście, nie tylko naszym.
API wielki szacun.Pozdrawiam.
Będą sie odwoływać , na bank.
Gratulacje ?
Niestety nie, należy tylko wyrazić ubolewanie, iż w ogóle pani Lasowa zajęła czas sędziom w Olsztynie. Niestety to dopiero początek drogi do celu.
A właśnie, że gratulacje API ! To kolejny , mały kroczek do Wielkiego Zwycięstwa.